Celestia Development Roadmap

[Fenerit]

Perhaps I'm rested back in Celestia's feature...
Would be possible a .ssc propriety which might hide the right menu's objects title, to say:

Showinmenu false

so that an object couldn't be duplicate or to have multiple voices for the same purpose? In union with the Clickable false propriety seem fine to me.

[duds26]

This is one for the forum, mostly the troubleshooting forum (Celestia Bugs).

Some icon for saying that the problem in the topic is solved would be handy to use in the forum.
Seen that the forum software is very alike, mayby the administrators don't use it.
Something like on this forum: http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewforum.php?f=6

[duds26]

Updating Celestia video code for the new ogg codecs, file types and MIME-types.

There is a new scheme at hand that has new file extensions and MIME-types.
There is also a new videocodec possible named Dirac that can compress lossy and lossless.
(And while the celestia devs are at it, also check if the libraries are the most recent, of course.)

Celestia would be greatly enhanced with these updates/improvements.
http://www.xiph.org/

This is something that is better done soon than later.

[t00fri]

In any case, my theora library under Linux has been automatically updated a few days ago to libtheora-1.0.final. All my celestia versions as of the latest SVN 4538 (kde,gnome, gtk) are now using that theora-1.0final lib without problems.

Fridger

[ElChristou]

As this thread is about the Celestia roadmap, Chris could you do a check of the roadmap in the wikibook? (seems some features are mixed now between the several next version but I'm not that sure.)

About 1.7, what about doing a version only for the QT change + some old time fixing and polishing? Then again we could have a strong basis for the future HDR and others implementation... Opinion?

[duds26]

In any case, my theora library under Linux has been automatically updated a few days ago to libtheora-1.0.final. All my celestia versions as of the latest SVN 4538 (kde,gnome, gtk) are now using that theora-1.0final lib without problems.

Fridger

If you record a video and save it, is it a .ogv file or .ogg file?

[t00fri]

In any case, my theora library under Linux has been automatically updated a few days ago to libtheora-1.0.final. All my celestia versions as of the latest SVN 4538 (kde,gnome, gtk) are now using that theora-1.0final lib without problems.

Fridger

If you record a video and save it, is it a .ogv file or .ogg file?

I have tried .avi, .ogg and .ogv under Celestia-kde. All three work very well. I used vlc 0.94 to play the test videos. I used vlc on my Windows machine, actually.

Fridger

[duds26]

What's file extension that you get when recording with default settings, an ogg or an ogv file?

The ogv should be used instead of ogg.
(if it's not ogv it should be set on ogv)

It's the preferred container, file extension.
AVI should from now on be abandoned in favor of ogg container (ogv, oga and ogx) or matroska, MP4.

[t00fri]

What's file extension that you get when recording with default settings, an ogg or an ogv file?

The ogv should be used instead of ogg.
(if it's not ogv it should be set on ogv)

It's the preferred container, file extension.
AVI should from now on be abandoned in favor of ogg container (ogv, oga and ogx) or matroska, MP4.

There is NO default extension in Celestia-kde.
If I write test then the file named test will be saved.


So far I avoided these formats when preparing a video since my Windows friends with their installed Media Player simply were unable to play these formats/codecs. There is no point in talking about all this if people are not willing to install at least a player that is capable of playing these formats.

I want to reach people if I am undergoing all the work of making a video.
Sometimes the inertia on can observe is "breathtaking" ...

Fridger

[duds26]

Yes, people are very afraid of trying something new .
People that don't know a lot of computers are very fragile.

My Windows Friends can't play ogg files also.
(So I end up with a wmv version of the video.)


That makes me wondering about something on the Xiph wiki.
There was a project that was about making direcshow filters for ogg.

(Hopefully it will become easier to move our friends with that,
than with trying them to try a new media player.)
(Hopefully their inertia will be small enough for this change. )

But it will take some time to have those filters matured and stable enough for everybody to enjoy.
There isn't much software with the stable library, the current software isn't working stable and reliable yet.
Noticed when I tried to compare different codecs. The creation of ogg files was very unreliable.

[Reiko]

Tell all of your windows friends to download combined community codec pack. They will have no problem playing those formats. It even comes with two players one of which is media player classic.

[t00fri]

Tell all of your windows friends to download combined community codec pack. They will have no problem playing those formats. It even comes with two players one of which is media player classic.

Yes Reiko,

that would be one solution. The other more elegant and cross-platform solution is to just install the VLC player along with its Mozilla-Firefox plugin and you can forget about all extra codec downloads. VLC just plays EVERYTHING very well.

http://www.videolan.org/

Right now there is a little problem with the Mozilla plugin. So for people using Firefox, this is the appropriate download:

http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/win32/latest/

Fridger

[john Van Vliet]

VLC on windows is a great way to go ,but it would be nice if auto updates DID NOT KEEP REINSTALLING windows media player .
A "security "fix" " comes by and wmp gets REINSTALLED and SET AS THE DEFAULT PLAYER for dvd's and video even though i have VLC set as the default dvd player.
i go and pop a dvd into the xp box and ,expecting VLC to start,but wmp runs instead and wants me to BUY $$ stuff. !!!!!!!"#%HGgj6787*(&^&*"!!!!!!!!!! die MS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


the "fix" for this is to leave it installed but ( in safe mode) rename "Program Files/Windows Media Player" to "Program Files/123Windows Media Player"
then rename
all *.exe files in that folder to
*.exe.off
the next time there is a update or "fix" for wmp a new folder will be made and only the " fixes" will be installed , this works most of the time but not all of the time .

-- edit--
also rename npwmsdrm.dll to npwmsdrm.dll.off
if you type in

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 about:plugins

into firefox or seamonkey you will see( at the bottom of the list) a plugin you did not install a MS DRM plugin.

[ElChristou]

As this thread is about the Celestia roadmap, Chris could you do a check of the roadmap in the wikibook? (seems some features are mixed now between the several next version but I'm not that sure.)

About 1.7, what about doing a version only for the QT change + some old time fixing and polishing? Then again we could have a strong basis for the future HDR and others implementation... Opinion?

[john Van Vliet]

is about the Celestia roadmap

Ok i will stay on topic
how about updating " Makefile.cvs" seeing as celestia is now in svn ,and some of us can no longer run

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make -f Makefile.cvs

but instead run
" autoreconfig -v"